yea this last attack was last wk i think and hes had a go a couple of times now he tried it on with kiera too but she went in and had a go back i just said AH and they both stoped but hes picking on ke and pads who are both ill meg will bite him and he never does anything and dillan who is castrated he never bothers hes going for my alpha bitch and paddy whos entire so im woundering if its a hormone thing and hes trying to move up the ladder as meg and dillan are both passive dogs that dont care and both neuterd ke is too but shes a bossy git and top bitch getting him chemically castrated see if it brings him down a wee bit but i have a feeling it wont make much diffrence hes a head case and most of it is genetic but may help with the hormone side i dunno...ohh theres the brick wall again :banghead: :san42: