| | Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) | |
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| Milan? or Stilwell? You Decide | | 1/ Milan | | 40% | [ 4 ] | | 2/Stilwell | | 50% | [ 5 ] | | You Decide | | 10% | [ 1 ] |
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liverbird Admin


 Number of posts: 15515 Age: 56 Location: posh part of scouseland :) Rep: 31 Points: 16361 Registration date: 2009-01-08
 | Subject: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:35 pm | |
| Dog fight: The dominant attitude of American celebrity pet trainer Cesar Millan is at odds with the more gentle approach favoured by British trainer Victoria Stilwell
It has become a bitter row, and neither side is likely to roll over any time soon.
A dispute has broken out among Britain’s dog trainers over whether we should be dominating our pooches or treating them as equals.
One side insists it is fine to pin dogs to the ground in an ‘alpha roll’, while other trainers are fierce advocates of the more modern technique of ‘positive rewarding’.
They insist the more traditional method amounts to animal cruelty and can lead to increased stress for the dog - and they have launched an organisation to regulate dog trainers and stamp out the practice.
The traditionalists favour techniques espoused by Mexican-American animal behaviourist Cesar Millan, who has made a fortune from The Dog Whisperer - a TV series in which he re-trains problem dogs.
Mr Millan, whose clients include actress Scarlett Johansson and chatshow host Oprah Winfrey, says dogs should be treated as animals, not substitute children. He advocates the owner ensuring it is clear they are the ‘pack leader’.
In contrast, English dog trainer Victoria Stilwell’s TV show It’s Me Or The Dog encourages owners to think of their dogs as equals.
‘Any person can make an animal behave through force and fear,’ the 41-year-old former actress from London told The Sunday Times.
It is supporters of Mrs Stilwell’s doctrine who have created the Animal Behaviour and Training Council, with the support of animal welfare groups including the RSPCA and the Dogs Trust.
‘The aim is to standardise what is going on, because at the moment anybody can say “I know there is a leg on each corner – so I can train them”,’ said the council’s chairman, David Montgomery.
The council, to be launched next month, will regulate trainers in the UK, and those practising the ‘alpha roll’ are ‘unlikely’ to make the grade, Mr Montgomery added.
However, Colin Tennant, who has trained 10,000 dogs and chairs the Canine and Feline Behaviour Association, said: ‘It is political correctness. If you treat a dog like a human it will treat you like a dog.’
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bingnblaze

 Number of posts: 1853 Age: 23 Location: Coventry, West Midlands Rep: 7 Points: 2931 Registration date: 2009-02-12
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:27 pm | |
| i prefer victoria stillwell all the way |
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Sandra Admin


 Number of posts: 18727 Age: 49 Location: Ammanford Rep: 22 Points: 16733 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:59 am | |
|  I voted 'u decide' I like a bit of this and a bit of that  |
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Lorz

 Number of posts: 2090 Rep: 13 Points: 3444 Registration date: 2009-09-21
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:26 am | |
| I watch both this is a difficult one but going to vote with my gutt instinct!!! |
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liverbird Admin


 Number of posts: 15515 Age: 56 Location: posh part of scouseland :) Rep: 31 Points: 16361 Registration date: 2009-01-08
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 Number of posts: 6675 Age: 55 Location: Fife Scotland Rep: 12 Points: 7363 Registration date: 2009-01-13
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:16 pm | |
| I think they are both up their own arses.  _________________  |
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fredsmum Admin


 Number of posts: 29437 Age: 37 Location: posh part of derby Rep: 33 Points: 28737 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:39 pm | |
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liverbird Admin


 Number of posts: 15515 Age: 56 Location: posh part of scouseland :) Rep: 31 Points: 16361 Registration date: 2009-01-08
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:41 pm | |
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Suze

 Number of posts: 784 Age: 37 Location: Fife Rep: 7 Points: 1806 Registration date: 2009-11-01
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:04 am | |
| I used to love Cesar but as i got to know my own dogs better i found the stilwell appraoch works better for me... thats not to say i think of them as equals i dont they are dogs and have their place ( lieing next to me on the marital bed  with hubby asleep on the couch  ) So i suppose you watch both take aspects from both and use what works for you but Stilwell gets my vote.... Ive used a lot of her techniques.... |
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liverbird Admin


 Number of posts: 15515 Age: 56 Location: posh part of scouseland :) Rep: 31 Points: 16361 Registration date: 2009-01-08
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fredsmum Admin


 Number of posts: 29437 Age: 37 Location: posh part of derby Rep: 33 Points: 28737 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:51 pm | |
| it depends what works for your dog, not all methods of training works for every dog, theyre all individuals like we are i tend to think that cesars methods work better for fred _________________  ~The dog is a gentleman! I hope to go to his heaven, not man's~ |
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liverbird Admin


 Number of posts: 15515 Age: 56 Location: posh part of scouseland :) Rep: 31 Points: 16361 Registration date: 2009-01-08
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:10 pm | |
|  Your right I don't use either of them tbh probably why
Bailey has separation anxiety Tilly hates small dogs and Shady doesn't listen to me  _________________ "My sunshine doesn't come from the skies, it comes from the love in my dogs eyes." R.I.P Scouse xx Saffron xx and Roxanne xx I will Never Walk Alone..Still Miss you all. I am a Volunteer for UK-German Shepherd Rescue.http://www.ukgermanshepherdrescue.co.uk/ |
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fredsmum Admin


 Number of posts: 29437 Age: 37 Location: posh part of derby Rep: 33 Points: 28737 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:16 pm | |
| :san12: :san12: :san12: :san12:
freds had no end of training and he still hates other dogs ..... :2431:
hes getting better though.... depends what mood hes in :rolls eyes: : _________________  ~The dog is a gentleman! I hope to go to his heaven, not man's~ |
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Sandra Admin


 Number of posts: 18727 Age: 49 Location: Ammanford Rep: 22 Points: 16733 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:48 am | |
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fredsmum Admin


 Number of posts: 29437 Age: 37 Location: posh part of derby Rep: 33 Points: 28737 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Trouble with the trainers; Stilwell versus Milan (poll) Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:38 am | |
| :san12: :san12: :san12: :san12:
this must mean that freds not the problem dog i once thought he was then.....
hes normal :tilly: _________________  ~The dog is a gentleman! I hope to go to his heaven, not man's~ |
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