we occasionally go to a pet warehouse in swad,or the chiken factory on ascot drive for freds meat ..... but its not exactly walking distance for me to go with fred.... ...

If we did muzzle him it would only be when offlead Like i said tho we are hoping he will improve so it wont be needed Its just an option so that we can still feel ok walking him offlead

Yes fazza the basket muzzle was the option we looked at because of the panting issue and yes i think he definately is a gobby little git who is all mouth and will more than likely be ok offlead but i dont really want to find out he is a fighter on Cannock Chase and No he hasnt had the chop YET Id rather he has some introductions in a controlled situation like at the training
Other than that he is a sweetie He has a halti Shelley i was talking about this with OH today and said i might get him a dogmatic He wasnt keen tho because Keira hates hers and always ends up foaming at the mouth whenever she has had it on

if you use it often enough though bren he will get used to it ... its better than him dragging you around... try it on him in short intervals and associate it with something good ...might make it easier for him to accept it... for eg. when giving him treats give him then through the muzzle just an idea lol....

zep will help you sort him out hun....ive been looking at time tables to egginton for the classes... fred needs proper socialising in a proper environment, just got to chekc these buses will allow him on :2431:

Be brilliant if you could get there

just imagine Fred and Mickey socialising together

Nico starts his classes again on 7/11

good god bren.... dont say that :2445: thats the stuff nightmares are made of.... i know fred though, the minute he sees zep he would behave straight away lol.... hes out of his comfort zone, so knows he has to behave lololol....

im hoping to get to the november lessons, just need to know where the bus stops are...will hae to ask mo and zep.... and then make sure the buses i want to cathc arent the busy hour then were set to go lolol.... see you there :2431:

is that the saturday one bev?... if so...hopefully see you there lol .... :2431:

Yes at 10.30

you never know nico might put him in his lace again.... i remember him barking at nico at elvaston, nico barked back and fred never so much as murmured again


i was even thinking of going to elvaston as well...just for the socialisation though

Yes I've thought about going back there but I never seem to get round to it

I went back in the summer for one week, got the forms but couldnt be arsed to go the next week. It was BORING......Also, Mimi takes the pee out of me if I use the "happy voice" she gets excited and silly then wont respond, I have to be firm with her and they always tell me to change my voice to the happy one, drives me mad :2445:

Never used a muzzle so cant help with this one :nhy:

Oh great stuff Im gonna get to see Nico we are going to the classes starting on the 7th

See you there Bev and hopefully you can make it aswell Shelley

oooh i really hope i can make it this time

I'm a bit nervous this time tbh. He's not done much lately & I just know he's going to take the mickey something rotten