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    PostSubject: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:26 pm

    Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”

    March 20, 2009 by Freelance Writers
    John Andre is fulltime operational Fire-fighter and dog owner. A
    chance encounter with another walker lead John in to a brush with UK
    dog laws. A brush he won’t soon forget. Here he tells his story:
    On Dec 7th last year my wife and I adopted a 3 year old male Rottie
    named Grizzly from our local rescue (name came with him ironically!!).
    He had a big list to fit as we have 2 kids, 3 other dogs including
    another male Rottie and 2 cats. So we of course we had to have a
    well-balanced dog. Griz rose to the task with flying colours; he is a
    lovely well natured pet who has settled in very well.
    On Jan 14th I was walking him on the Wirral Way a local walking spot
    near our home. I was in the habit of walking Griz on lead as he was a
    relatively new dog and his recall was slightly poor.
    I let him off lead to do his business as he seemed reluctant to do
    it on lead. I didn’t realise an elderly man was walking his dog
    on lead on the lower path. Grizzly ran approx 10ft towards this man and
    his dog with the other dog biting Griz in the face; as mine retaliated
    the owner began to kick and punch my dog. I was only a few feet away
    and shouted to the man to stop kicking my dog as I would deal with the
    situation (this would be later backed up by a witness). I grabbed Griz
    who at this time was cowering on the floor, the man said, “that
    thing should be on a F–ing lead”, didn’t mention
    anything about him receiving a bite, I apologised and went on my way. I
    looked back to see him talking to a man who had been walking just
    behind us.

    Approx 10pm that night a WPC and Community support officer, knocked
    at the door, almost bringing the front door off its hinges. I went to
    the door with one of the Rotties as a couple of days previous one of
    our neighbours had been subject to an armed robbery in the home. On
    realising it was the Police, our hearts sunk thinking the worst about a
    family member.
    I remember to this day the look on the WPCs face when she saw the Rottie - it was like she’d won the lottery.
    She started by asking me whether I owned a green estate car, I
    replied I did and so she asked me what had happened on the Wirral Way.
    I asked her what it was about she said a man had reported that my dog
    had bitten him and it was serious as he had been taken to hospital in
    an ambulance.
    My wife and I were horrified and then reality kicked in. I said that
    I had witnessed the whole incident and at no time did I see our dog
    bite him or an opportunity to bite. My wife asked about how could they
    say which dog bit who, especially as his dog had been the instigator
    and of an aggressive nature. In addition, the other owner had hauled
    his dog in the air, which could create an impulsive attack. At this
    point, the WPC was very rude and dismissive to us both and said they
    didn’t need any proof as his word was enough but if we insisted
    on proof they would do bite impressions
    She asked how old Grizzly was and his name, sneering when we told
    her. We didn’t know his exact age as he was a rescue and on
    telling her this, she seemed even more dismissive. She then enquired
    where we got him from so we told her our local rescue. At this point I
    informed the Police officer that Griz was semi-muzzled at the time as
    he was wearing a Gentle Leader & so how could he have delivered
    this devastating bite?
    She just wasn’t interested, stated that we would be going to
    court and that Griz would likely be destroyed. My wife asked what would
    be done about the obvious abuse and attack on our dog – she
    replied that she would also kick a dog if it bit her. At this point
    I’d heard enough and asked them to leave; my wife and I were in
    bits.
    On a follow up visit to the rescue the WPC opened her enquiries by
    making the statement to the kennel manager, “well it’s only
    a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway” - well if
    that’s not breed prejudice? It was at this point that we realised
    that we were subject to such prejudice and that we were being
    victimised.
    I was asked to volunteer a statement on the Monday and that the WPC
    would pick me up from home. When I got in the car I was cautioned under
    the DDA sec3. On arrival at the station, I was put in a holding cell.
    After about 1 hour, I was interviewed and allowed to read the other
    man’s statement.
    It was like reading a piece of horror fiction with all the buzz
    words i.e. children, dangerous dog etc (as if it had been coached) and
    topped it off with him stating he now felt nervous about taking his
    daily walk in the future (taking into consideration that this man
    gladly engaged fully grown Rottie punching and kicking it – which
    he had carefully omitted from his statement) & since that day, I
    come across him daily – he has never changed his routine or
    stopped walking his dog since.
    I was asked if I wanted it to be dealt with today - I imagined I
    would be ticked off and sent on my way so I agreed. I was then arrested
    and put in a holding room, denied any phone calls for nearly 5 hours
    and had to ask to use the toilet or for a drink. My wife was frantic at
    home as she expected me to be about a 1/2 hour.
    To put things into perspective, two days before I was arrested over
    this issue, a local family man was murdered and his son stabbed not 1/2
    mile away from where I was held, yet the Police thought that it was in
    the publics’ best interest to have a WPC (and more in the
    background) off the street gathering information on a minor dog
    squabble for best part of a day than out trying to catch the maniac who
    was still at large. Also the girl in the next cell had head-butted a
    girl in the local high street; she was released with a caution, a fine
    of £100 and ordered to write a letter of apology- no such
    treatment for me.
    I was finally charged under DDA Section 3 1 & 4 and bailed to
    appear in court the following month. At this point I engaged the
    services of Mr Trevor Cooper to defend me.
    Mr Cooper doesn’t accept public funded work & so I had to
    foot the bill myself. In everyone’s opinion he is the best and as
    a Fire-Fighter, I could have potentially lost my job (and pension of 23
    years) if I had received a criminal conviction. And just as important
    to me, my dog could have been destroyed.
    We live in a very small community and everyone knows everyone
    else’s business and so I began to research into the
    complainant’s background amongst fellow dog-walkers. As it turned
    out he is a serial complainer who has terrorised the local area for
    some time especially towards female dog walkers. In some cases, to such
    a degree that some avoid walking in the area. One elderly lady was
    prepared to testify in court about his behaviour regarding a similar
    incident and the aggressive nature of his dog.
    Due to the short timescale, Trevor asked for an adjournment in
    absence for us to compile our case. The CPS refused & I appeared in
    court for just 20 seconds for it to be adjourned, awaiting medical
    evidence however I still had to pay for my Barristers fee (who had
    travelled from Leeds).
    The issue of victimisation and breed prejudice was further founded
    when I had to make two complaints regarding harassment. The owner of
    the other dog lives close to me. He had repeatedly shouted abuse at me,
    walked his dog in circles around me to try to encourage my dog to
    attack him and approached me aggressively, in my face swearing and
    shouting that my dog should be muzzled. On both occasions, I reported
    the incidents to the Police. On both occasions, I was told that the WPC
    was consulted and to tell me to walk my dog elsewhere. No action was
    taken against the other guy. I have 4 dogs and walking my dogs has
    become a stressful activity, especially as I regularly encounter this
    guy who is verbally abusive and despite being older, is much bigger in
    size and who seemingly is allowed to harass me and make me and my wife
    feel unsafe. Many other dog walkers feel unsafe when this guy is out
    walking his dog – due to the aggressive nature of his dog and his
    abusive nature. Our evidence, including names and addresses of such
    complainants were never investigated or considered by the Police.
    I have also heard via the local grapevine that the same WPC had
    previously owned a dog which was known to be aggressive, had actually
    bitten on a number of occasions, once very seriously through bike
    leathers and the case was brushed under the carpet & never pursued.
    Where is the equal and fair practice in the law? (this is here say and
    I do not have any evidence but I do have her name & badge if it
    could be researched at any point)
    Prior to the second court appearance, we received the medical
    evidence of the alleged bite. What nonsense! The injury was a tiny flap
    of skin, smaller than the nail of a little finger on the back of his
    hand secured by a steri-strip. The doctor said it was an alleged dog
    bite and described the injury as superficial with no tendon damage
    (medical record can be supplied). Why he needed an emergency Ambulance
    is beyond me! What a waste of already stretched resources. The trial
    (whole day) was set for the end of April with a mention on 17th of
    March.
    Third and final court appearance was on 17th March. We managed to
    plea bargain (after many phone calls between CPS and Trevor) to the
    lesser charge; section 2, of the soon to be obsolete, 1871 Dogs Act. I
    reluctantly admitted liability at risk of being taken to full trial
    where my solicitor informed me that I would lose, end up with a
    conviction and the fate of the dog would be in the balance. The CPS
    also wanted to enforce that a DCO was made therefore a muzzle and lead
    order was placed on our kind gentle pet for the rest of his life, which
    I see of detriment to him as he is very energetic and lively, & I
    was to organise third party liability insurance.
    Negotiations that day to have one or the other were flatly refused
    – it was either this deal or a full trial. I would also like to
    note that a certain WPC was at the centre of the discussions with the
    CPS and she would not bend on the order.
    Some may say that I got a good result – I did not get a
    conviction, a fine or have to pay costs and my dog was not destroyed.
    On reflection, I feel bitterness and anger towards the WPC –
    whether it was a promotion in sight or they just needed their quota on
    dog charges for the month, who knows? Or as I truly believed, she just
    hated Rottweilers.
    I also feel immense bitterness towards the old chap who pursed this,
    especially after learning more about his character and the number of
    people who have been affected by his malice. Finally, I feel
    disappointed in the system.
    I was never innocent until proven guilty. I could not afford to take
    this to trial and have my evidence, references, and witnesses presented
    (costs around 5K). The DDA was used inappropriately – as you will
    know, section 3 (1 & 4) were devised to deal with cases of dog
    fighting and for those who were training aggressive dogs for their own
    personal use.
    No one was interested in the aggressive dog which caused the fight.
    No one was interested in highlighting that there was no clear evidence
    as to which dog had bitten. No one was interested in pursuing the other
    complaints. No one was interested that if he hadn’t been a
    Rottweiler that I wouldn’t be writing this today. If Merseyside
    Police & Wirral CPS deems this to be an appropriate use of resource
    and a fair outcome, then shame on then and God help any other family
    man out walking his dog who may suffer at the hands of the system.

    http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/2144/police-it’s-only-a-rottweiler-and-they’re-horrible-dogs-anyway/
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    i've heard a lot about this horrible man on the wirral way :Angry:

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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:25 am

    Thats is absolutely appalling. I'm lost for words.
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:53 am

    OMG id liked to say im shocked but im not :Angry:

    back wen i just got Kiera i had her on trial from merseyside police *so she wasnt legally mine* and at 12 wks i took her for a walk round the corner to our pet shop and there was a known dog fighter and his dog there they saw ke gave me loads of abuse *as this dog had been set upon paddy b4* and let the dog go and he attacked keira a 12 wk pup!!! i managed to beat holy shit out of the dog grab ke and ran in the pet shop
    my mum called th e police straght away and a woman came out and said there was nothing that could be done :Angry:

    so i nicely qouted the DDA to her and then told her this dog isnt my dog and explained that im sure if it looks as tho cumbria constabulary isnt doing its job with regards to this then im more then happy to let the apporpriate ppl at merseyside ploice know whats happend to one of thier pups to which she then told me well i can go round and caution him.

    they know this guy well hes a druggy and a dog fighter in the end it was my sister that scared the shit out of him lol they went to school together and now kieras a big lass well he doesnt say a fecking word!

    but this story is a disgrace that poor dog has to be muzzled from now on because someone who cannot control their dog!! im mad for this guy this should not happen
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:06 am

    Terrible :Angry:
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:20 pm

    What a nightmare!
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:39 pm

    he's bloody horrible i believe and it's not the first time he's called the police on someone :Angry: and that police woman needs a good kick up the arse too :Angry:

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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:43 pm

    hmmmm she should have a formal complaint made against her the stupid bitch
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:53 pm

    Its absolutely disgusting..... :Angry:

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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:39 pm

    right howz about we all go down on force with all our dogs and run him down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the wanker gor can you imagine me with my three and one who hates other dogs paulas huge ones shelley and fred sandra you have three think majority of us have three each would be great fun!!!!!!!!! think we could get him to have a heart attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:50 pm

    :2445: :2445: :2445:

    Sounds good Ems, we need a coach
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:53 pm

    omg thats appaling! hes right aswell if it wasnt a rottie he wudnt b writing it :mad:
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:04 pm

    E.J. wrote:
    right howz about we all go down on force with all our dogs and run him down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the wanker gor can you imagine me with my three and one who hates other dogs paulas huge ones shelley and fred sandra you have three think majority of us have three each would be great fun!!!!!!!!! think we could get him to have a heart attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    :san12: c'mon Ems I'm up for that

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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:20 pm

    ok then how bout we send maligater to him batman cos he wont have a clue what breed he is and wen i get aksed about my ginger GSD i will play dum....GSD nope dont have one :nhy:
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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:30 pm

    sounds like a plan Robin :san12:

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    PostSubject: Re: Police: “It’s only a Rottweiler and they’re horrible dogs anyway”   Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:37 am

    lmao some1 pic me up i wanna cum! lmao
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