i type prong collar in google but not the dog training sites i go on and OMG the amount of forums with ppl slagging off ppl who use these and E-collars is mad!!!!

i must be a cruel EVIL monster as i use on on my high drive extreme working dog i f**king hate the fluffy brigade!!!!! and that victoria stillwell FFS she told Greater Manchester Police one of their young dogs was mad as it was high drive :ezcs: yes shes a f**king great trainer isnt she these ppl dont like prongs which on the right dog and used correctly DONT hurt trust me yet the "purely posative" bunch condone haltis head collars harnesses that rub a dogs arm pits ect drugs and so forth!!!! i know the working bunch of ppl on here is small but im sure helan and rosemary will agree these fecking new age ppl are nobs :whisteling:

sorry to rant but they need to meet a real working dog and see how far they get with just the purely posative approch and im more then willing to lend them rostam and kiera cos that would be funny

agree fazza our trainer says the pinch collar causes less damage than they standard choke, i,ll be getting one of these at next champ show but we have not to use it until trainer fits it and ensures its fitting correct.
Even Zamp bob crufts winner(gsd)last year has been seen eith this collar.
We had germans over at the training club last year and thats what the used when teaching obe

thanks hun this is very true as they give an all round even pressure unlike a check collar and they are very much self correcting so u dont see ppl snach checking their dogs heads off as it works in a instant

if i was a normal joe bloggs then my mali would have been pts at a yr old as he was dangerous but i used the prong on him and hes a diff dog he no longer will take it upon himself to become defencive with everyone he meets he hardly wears it now except in public places i dont tend to even have leads on my lot as were we walk we get them out of the van and go *we carry leads tho* it helps to bring his drive down also wen i was working with a lot of statics who liked to come up and chat tell you wats wat on the job i need him to be calm as poss lol

Mention prong and most people think OMG, yet they are happy to use other things without knowing how to use them

this is it yet wen ppl have met Rostam they dont wanna meet him with out the prong not because i have no control as hes an amazing dog but because it does just bring him down a lil and hes also quite happy to spark up on the prong too so much for it being evil lmao

I don't see anything wrong with them, they are used all the time in some countries

i dont see anything wrong in them either, so long as the handler is competent ...

exactly but sick of these ppl on other forums stating otherwise how they hurt the dog ect my god the injuries ive seen from halties flat collars and wait for it............................














the owners hand and feet!!!!

exactly faz...... the euipment you use is only as good as the handler who uses it

very very true

i would NEVER EVER hurt my dogs they mean more then the world to me and for them to do the job they do for me i couldnt be more grateful to them and it pisses me off soooooo much for ppl to be sooo narrow minded

i know what you mean faz.... to get the best out of your dog, you have to treat them the best....

ohhh just made me so mad to put everyone in the same box because i use a prong
i love my dogs and im not being big headed ect but doing the job i do it builds a bond soooo strong you have to put all your trust into your dog im not a big guy im 5ft lass and weigh over 7 stone if someone wanted to attack me i think they would have a great chance but i have my workers at my side i know im safe and i have been in some very scary situations were a lot of dogs would have said piss off lol and keke has been there for me wen other dogs were not for there handlers and one reason IMO the bond because they do beat their dogs keira and rostam will give their lives for me but im sure they more then know i would for them too :love:
rant over lol

As far as i'm concerned people can use what they like. Iknow that my friend over fifty years has never used anything but a choke correctly. She has done all types of training and trained these so called high drive dogs and still have complete controll even in manwork. Its to do with training. All our dogs will listen to us whatever. A coller is used to train the dog and when that is done everything works the same without a coller. Any one who needs a coller to controll a dog hasnt done their training. :2431:

The last post was not for the novice handler :love:

exactly like i said i dont need the prong anymore only put it on him in public places now incase i have dick heads come up to him and dis respect his space lol other wise i dont use leads i find my lot better off lead anyway

ppl prob think my lad is crazy he isnt i couldnt have dreamed of a better dog if im being honest but he is a malinois and they are not for the faint hearted they have hard temeperments and even the best GSD ppl say im mad for owning one as they never would and i dont blame them lol

the lines my lad is from is bred for work work work and only the toughest guys and gals are bred from so you have a real worker who doesnt want to be everyones best mate only one thing on his mind is work i dont like the way they get compared to the GSD a lot as imo they are not anything like yes similar in ways but i also find them similar to collies with their sharpness too lol

i have to say i actually went straight to the prong for pup didnt use a check altho i have a german one for keke and i think the prong was the better option for pup